[HCoop-Discuss] Planning

[Matthias-Christian Ott]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:17:01PM -0400, Adam Chlipala wrote:
> Derrick Brashear wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Adam Chlipala<adamc at hcoop.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> Derrick Brashear wrote:
> >>     
> >>>> Keep in mind that I'm talking about the real world, where we have no one
> >>>> familiar with AFS willing to make any particular time commitment to
> >>>> HCoop.  That means that likely newbie mistakes in controlling AFS
> >>>> configuration and processes have to be counted as costs of using AFS.
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>> Actually, if you guess instead of asking, I count that against
> >>> careless, which is
> >>> free and universal. And it has nothing to do with AFS. If you just
> >>> jump in without looking,
> >>> and it's shallow and your break your legs, or your neck, it's not the
> >>> fault of shallow; it's the fault
> >>> of the jumper. Don't take it as condemnation. It's not. When I don't
> >>> research a decision,
> >>> screw up, and am sad, it is a lesson, not anything else.
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> I don't think that argument is particularly valid in this case.  My
> >> point is that there is a standard set of daemons that folks run on local
> >> Linux machines.  Many of our members already have gone through the
> >> process of learning to use them effectively.  Learning to use something
> >> new is an inherent cost, and we should avoid it unless it's justified by
> >> the projected pay-off.  In this case, I believe that barely any of our
> >> members really want a distributed filesystem.
> >>     
> >
> > You said "real world". In the real world, if you leaped without
> > looking, and something blew up, you'd get fired.
> > Retconning is fine, but we've now stepped back from the brink of "real world".
> >   
> 
> I didn't mean a generic "real world."  I meant the realities of an 
> all-volunteer organization like ours that nonetheless tries to provide 
> services to everyone who applies for membership.  Our volunteers are 
> just not going to tend to be willing to spend lots of time learning to 
> use new systems.

Would you agree that AFS is (provided that it's done right) a one-time
effort? So you set it up once and than run it forever?

Regards,
Matthias-Christian