[HCoop-Discuss] Planning

[Adam Chlipala]

Derrick Brashear wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Adam Chlipala<adamc at hcoop.net> wrote:
>   
>> Derrick Brashear wrote:
>>     
>>>> Keep in mind that I'm talking about the real world, where we have no one
>>>> familiar with AFS willing to make any particular time commitment to
>>>> HCoop.  That means that likely newbie mistakes in controlling AFS
>>>> configuration and processes have to be counted as costs of using AFS.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Actually, if you guess instead of asking, I count that against
>>> careless, which is
>>> free and universal. And it has nothing to do with AFS. If you just
>>> jump in without looking,
>>> and it's shallow and your break your legs, or your neck, it's not the
>>> fault of shallow; it's the fault
>>> of the jumper. Don't take it as condemnation. It's not. When I don't
>>> research a decision,
>>> screw up, and am sad, it is a lesson, not anything else.
>>>
>>>       
>> I don't think that argument is particularly valid in this case.  My
>> point is that there is a standard set of daemons that folks run on local
>> Linux machines.  Many of our members already have gone through the
>> process of learning to use them effectively.  Learning to use something
>> new is an inherent cost, and we should avoid it unless it's justified by
>> the projected pay-off.  In this case, I believe that barely any of our
>> members really want a distributed filesystem.
>>     
>
> You said "real world". In the real world, if you leaped without
> looking, and something blew up, you'd get fired.
> Retconning is fine, but we've now stepped back from the brink of "real world".
>   

I didn't mean a generic "real world."  I meant the realities of an 
all-volunteer organization like ours that nonetheless tries to provide 
services to everyone who applies for membership.  Our volunteers are 
just not going to tend to be willing to spend lots of time learning to 
use new systems.