[Oct. 17 Seattle] Real Change Ad, etc.

[James Bichler]

I agree with Helen and Edward.  "U.S. Out of Afghanistan Now!" is a more
appropriate slogan as it makes it clear that a phased withdrawal is
unacceptable.  I know that Ira was in no way suggesting that a phased
withdrawal is acceptable, however those within and watching the march may
not understand that.

James B.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Helen <helen1913 at mac.com> wrote:

> I agree with E.  It also mirrors the language of the half sheets we
> have been passing out.
>
> I would like to get it out fairly soon, so if anyone else feels like
> weighing in I'll just go forward with whatever seems to be the
> general consensus in a day or two.
> --Hn
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 6:03 PM, iskra at riseup.net wrote:
>
> > I think the suggested slogan change is a step in the wrong direction.
> >
> > 1. I don't think Ira's first point comes across whatsoever.  Ask
> > anyone
> > outside of the movement.  And, even if it did, I think it would be
> > incorrect to try and make it the basis of an anti-war broad united
> > front.
> >
> > 2. As for "now," I think it is good to underscore our opposition to
> > phony "phased withdrawal" schemes that liberal imperialists sometimes
> > float (although that is far from their current agenda in Afghanistan).
> > This becomes all the more important given the widely-held and
> > reality-defying view that Obama is going to "eventually" end the war.
> > (I have had many people "correct" me when I mentioned Obama's surge in
> > Afghanistan, as if I was just making it up or something.  Of course
> > this
> > is despite his repeated election promises to escalate the Afghan war,
> > and the widespread reports of his follow-through in the mass
> > media.)  I
> > am not aware of a better word to do this than "now."
> >
> > Plus, I think the suggested change is unwieldy and stylistically odd.
> > No gain, all pain.
> >
> > --Edward
> >
> >
> > ira jones wrote:
> >> It occurred to me that the slogan
> >>
> >> US Out of Afghanistan Now!
> >>
> >> could be improved by changing it to
> >>
> >> US, Get Out of Afghanistan!
> >>
> >> for two reasons.  First, I think that the change better
> >> accentuates the
> >> concept that although we are live in the US, we are implacably
> >> opposed
> >> to the US government.  Second, I don't like "now" as a way of
> >> accentuating militancy since WHEN (and if) the US gets out depends
> >> totally on the balance of forces, i.e., how desperate the US is to
> >> prevail there vs. how strong the movement here is (not very, frankly)
> >> and how strong the armed struggle is in Afghanistan.
> >>
> >> This idea just popped into my head, so if it would be too
> >> disruptive to
> >> change the main slogan, that's cool.
> >>
> >> Other subjects:
> >>
> >> 1) I'll definitely be going in to hear Dahr Jamail on Sunday
> >> ($15/ticket, fundraiser for Coffee Strong) at Univ. Temple United
> >> Methodist Church (1415 NE 43rd, Seattle) and I intend to leaflet
> >> it a bunch.
> >>
> >> 2) For what it's worth, Malalai Joya, the Afghani "MP" will be in
> >> Seattle on Nov 11.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Helen <helen1913 at mac.com
> >> <mailto:helen1913 at mac.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     I spoke to the editor of Real Change and he said I should send
> >> an ad
> >>     to the calendar editor that says who, what, why, where, and when.
> >>     They may (there is discretion) print it the week or ten days
> >> before
> >>     the event in their calendar, for free.  They usually print an
> >> event
> >>     ad only once, but you can purchase a classified ad (another
> >> place in
> >>     the paper?) for about $30-40.
> >>
> >>     For the calendar listing, I propose the following:
> >>
> >>     US Out of Afghanistan Now!  Demonstrate Saturday, October 17,
> >> at 1p.m..
> >>     March begins at Seattle Central Community College and ends at
> >> Westlake.
> >>     Sponsored by October 17 Antiwar Mobilization and endorsed by
> >> numerous
> >>     anti-war groups and individuals.
> >>     ___________
> >>
> >>     This is short because I don't believe the calendar allows that
> >> much
> >>     detail.  Feel free to make suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >>     --Hn
> >>
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