I agree with Helen and Edward. "U.S. Out of Afghanistan Now!" is a more appropriate slogan as it makes it clear that a phased withdrawal is unacceptable. I know that Ira was in no way suggesting that a phased withdrawal is acceptable, however those within and watching the march may not understand that. <br>
<br>James B.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Helen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:helen1913@mac.com">helen1913@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I agree with E. It also mirrors the language of the half sheets we<br>
have been passing out.<br>
<br>
I would like to get it out fairly soon, so if anyone else feels like<br>
weighing in I'll just go forward with whatever seems to be the<br>
general consensus in a day or two.<br>
--Hn<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Sep 24, 2009, at 6:03 PM, <a href="mailto:iskra@riseup.net">iskra@riseup.net</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I think the suggested slogan change is a step in the wrong direction.<br>
><br>
> 1. I don't think Ira's first point comes across whatsoever. Ask<br>
> anyone<br>
> outside of the movement. And, even if it did, I think it would be<br>
> incorrect to try and make it the basis of an anti-war broad united<br>
> front.<br>
><br>
> 2. As for "now," I think it is good to underscore our opposition to<br>
> phony "phased withdrawal" schemes that liberal imperialists sometimes<br>
> float (although that is far from their current agenda in Afghanistan).<br>
> This becomes all the more important given the widely-held and<br>
> reality-defying view that Obama is going to "eventually" end the war.<br>
> (I have had many people "correct" me when I mentioned Obama's surge in<br>
> Afghanistan, as if I was just making it up or something. Of course<br>
> this<br>
> is despite his repeated election promises to escalate the Afghan war,<br>
> and the widespread reports of his follow-through in the mass<br>
> media.) I<br>
> am not aware of a better word to do this than "now."<br>
><br>
> Plus, I think the suggested change is unwieldy and stylistically odd.<br>
> No gain, all pain.<br>
><br>
> --Edward<br>
><br>
><br>
> ira jones wrote:<br>
>> It occurred to me that the slogan<br>
>><br>
>> US Out of Afghanistan Now!<br>
>><br>
>> could be improved by changing it to<br>
>><br>
>> US, Get Out of Afghanistan!<br>
>><br>
>> for two reasons. First, I think that the change better<br>
>> accentuates the<br>
>> concept that although we are live in the US, we are implacably<br>
>> opposed<br>
>> to the US government. Second, I don't like "now" as a way of<br>
>> accentuating militancy since WHEN (and if) the US gets out depends<br>
>> totally on the balance of forces, i.e., how desperate the US is to<br>
>> prevail there vs. how strong the movement here is (not very, frankly)<br>
>> and how strong the armed struggle is in Afghanistan.<br>
>><br>
>> This idea just popped into my head, so if it would be too<br>
>> disruptive to<br>
>> change the main slogan, that's cool.<br>
>><br>
>> Other subjects:<br>
>><br>
>> 1) I'll definitely be going in to hear Dahr Jamail on Sunday<br>
>> ($15/ticket, fundraiser for Coffee Strong) at Univ. Temple United<br>
>> Methodist Church (1415 NE 43rd, Seattle) and I intend to leaflet<br>
>> it a bunch.<br>
>><br>
>> 2) For what it's worth, Malalai Joya, the Afghani "MP" will be in<br>
>> Seattle on Nov 11.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Helen <<a href="mailto:helen1913@mac.com">helen1913@mac.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:helen1913@mac.com">helen1913@mac.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I spoke to the editor of Real Change and he said I should send<br>
>> an ad<br>
>> to the calendar editor that says who, what, why, where, and when.<br>
>> They may (there is discretion) print it the week or ten days<br>
>> before<br>
>> the event in their calendar, for free. They usually print an<br>
>> event<br>
>> ad only once, but you can purchase a classified ad (another<br>
>> place in<br>
>> the paper?) for about $30-40.<br>
>><br>
>> For the calendar listing, I propose the following:<br>
>><br>
>> US Out of Afghanistan Now! Demonstrate Saturday, October 17,<br>
>> at 1p.m..<br>
>> March begins at Seattle Central Community College and ends at<br>
>> Westlake.<br>
>> Sponsored by October 17 Antiwar Mobilization and endorsed by<br>
>> numerous<br>
>> anti-war groups and individuals.<br>
>> ___________<br>
>><br>
>> This is short because I don't believe the calendar allows that<br>
>> much<br>
>> detail. Feel free to make suggestions.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --Hn<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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