[Oct. 17 Seattle] Real Change Ad, etc.

[Helen]

I agree with E.  It also mirrors the language of the half sheets we  
have been passing out.

I would like to get it out fairly soon, so if anyone else feels like  
weighing in I'll just go forward with whatever seems to be the  
general consensus in a day or two.
--Hn


On Sep 24, 2009, at 6:03 PM, iskra at riseup.net wrote:

> I think the suggested slogan change is a step in the wrong direction.
>
> 1. I don't think Ira's first point comes across whatsoever.  Ask  
> anyone
> outside of the movement.  And, even if it did, I think it would be
> incorrect to try and make it the basis of an anti-war broad united  
> front.
>
> 2. As for "now," I think it is good to underscore our opposition to
> phony "phased withdrawal" schemes that liberal imperialists sometimes
> float (although that is far from their current agenda in Afghanistan).
> This becomes all the more important given the widely-held and
> reality-defying view that Obama is going to "eventually" end the war.
> (I have had many people "correct" me when I mentioned Obama's surge in
> Afghanistan, as if I was just making it up or something.  Of course  
> this
> is despite his repeated election promises to escalate the Afghan war,
> and the widespread reports of his follow-through in the mass  
> media.)  I
> am not aware of a better word to do this than "now."
>
> Plus, I think the suggested change is unwieldy and stylistically odd.
> No gain, all pain.
>
> --Edward
>
>
> ira jones wrote:
>> It occurred to me that the slogan
>>
>> US Out of Afghanistan Now!
>>
>> could be improved by changing it to
>>
>> US, Get Out of Afghanistan!
>>
>> for two reasons.  First, I think that the change better  
>> accentuates the
>> concept that although we are live in the US, we are implacably  
>> opposed
>> to the US government.  Second, I don't like "now" as a way of
>> accentuating militancy since WHEN (and if) the US gets out depends
>> totally on the balance of forces, i.e., how desperate the US is to
>> prevail there vs. how strong the movement here is (not very, frankly)
>> and how strong the armed struggle is in Afghanistan.
>>
>> This idea just popped into my head, so if it would be too  
>> disruptive to
>> change the main slogan, that's cool.
>>
>> Other subjects:
>>
>> 1) I'll definitely be going in to hear Dahr Jamail on Sunday
>> ($15/ticket, fundraiser for Coffee Strong) at Univ. Temple United
>> Methodist Church (1415 NE 43rd, Seattle) and I intend to leaflet  
>> it a bunch.
>>
>> 2) For what it's worth, Malalai Joya, the Afghani "MP" will be in
>> Seattle on Nov 11.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Helen <helen1913 at mac.com
>> <mailto:helen1913 at mac.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I spoke to the editor of Real Change and he said I should send  
>> an ad
>>     to the calendar editor that says who, what, why, where, and when.
>>     They may (there is discretion) print it the week or ten days  
>> before
>>     the event in their calendar, for free.  They usually print an  
>> event
>>     ad only once, but you can purchase a classified ad (another  
>> place in
>>     the paper?) for about $30-40.
>>
>>     For the calendar listing, I propose the following:
>>
>>     US Out of Afghanistan Now!  Demonstrate Saturday, October 17,  
>> at 1p.m..
>>     March begins at Seattle Central Community College and ends at  
>> Westlake.
>>     Sponsored by October 17 Antiwar Mobilization and endorsed by  
>> numerous
>>     anti-war groups and individuals.
>>     ___________
>>
>>     This is short because I don't believe the calendar allows that  
>> much
>>     detail.  Feel free to make suggestions.
>>
>>
>>     --Hn
>>
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