[HCoop-Discuss] RFC: Subscribing new members to help and discussion lists by default?

[Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo]

Haha as the person who's post was held up I vote for auto-subscription 
with a large "unsubscribe" button at the bottom of emails. It could also 
be a mix of certain lists are auto-subscribe and some are not.

Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo.

On 7/24/2013 12:08 PM, Lauren McNees wrote:
> I vote for option A, subscribing everyone automatically and letting 
> them unsubscribe themselves if they really want to. Thanks for 
> bringing this to our attention!
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Clinton Ebadi 
> <clinton at unknownlamer.org <mailto:clinton at unknownlamer.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     Greetings,
>
>     It came to my attention, after a new hcoop member's post was held for
>     approval to hcoop-discuss, that we have not been adding people by
>     default to these lists for ... oh, the last *six years*. Which
>     probably
>     explains their pitifully low participation rate, especially since it
>     seems nowadays folks don't like clicking around our beloved portal to
>     find the "Preferences" page... (hell, even I had to sit there for a
>     minute to remember where you set list prefs).
>
>     I vaguely recall there may have been a reason... a few folks
>     complaining
>     about list traffic? But checking the subscriber list, it looks like
>     almost none of our members from the last few years have bothered
>     subscribing to any of the optional lists!
>
>     So, my current thinking is that we should instead subscribe
>     everyone by
>     default to -discuss and -help, leaving a note in
>     https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated
>     about
>     *un*subscribing after signing up if the member cares, rather than
>     subscribing... something about the relative worth of forgiveness and
>     permission.
>
>     I like it for another reason -- any new member that complains about
>     receiving unwanted list traffic can be easily diverted back to
>     AccountCreated, whereas the new member who didn't suffer reading our
>     lengthy introductory material and now suffers in silence cannot. Also
>     something or other about community building or whatever the hep cats
>     call it.
>
>     Another, possibly friendlier option: we can also just *invite* new
>     members to join the discussion and help lists, leaving them free
>     to take
>     no action and also receive no mail while still making them aware the
>     lists exist. The major downside I see is that the invite is not very
>     descriptive -- the subject is "confirm $hash" where hash is a very
>     long
>     hex string, and a test send to gmail ended up in their "special
>     offers"
>     folder that they are using to spam gmail users now... (on the bright
>     side, it looks like they don't flag our announcements and whatnot as
>     spam any more! Go SPF records!) so, I think there's a big chance it
>     would be ignored. Forced subscription also sends out a
>     notification, so
>     ...
>
>     Thoughts? I think it is a big enough change that I hope at least
>     someone
>     has thoughts that disagree with mine (given that I sort-of
>     disagree with
>     even myself, already)! Or agrees, whatever. Just as long as I am not
>     making decisions like this in an echo-chamber (I hear we're
>     democratically organized).
>
>     If I see no serious opposition I am leaning toward going forward with
>     subscribing new members whenever we have our next member sign up, and
>     also sending a message to -announce reminding everyone to check their
>     list subscriptions because they could be missing out.
>
>     --
>     "Karen loved animals. Unfortunately the cheetahs betrayed her trust,"
>     Libot said.
>
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