[HCoop-Discuss] RFC: Subscribing new members to help and discussion lists by default?

[David Kerschner]

Sounds reasonable to me. I would have preferred to be subbed automatically myself.

Clinton Ebadi <clinton at unknownlamer.org> wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>
>It came to my attention, after a new hcoop member's post was held for
>approval to hcoop-discuss, that we have not been adding people by
>default to these lists for ... oh, the last *six years*. Which probably
>explains their pitifully low participation rate, especially since it
>seems nowadays folks don't like clicking around our beloved portal to
>find the "Preferences" page... (hell, even I had to sit there for a
>minute to remember where you set list prefs).
>
>I vaguely recall there may have been a reason... a few folks
>complaining
>about list traffic? But checking the subscriber list, it looks like
>almost none of our members from the last few years have bothered
>subscribing to any of the optional lists!
>
>So, my current thinking is that we should instead subscribe everyone by
>default to -discuss and -help, leaving a note in
>https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated about
>*un*subscribing after signing up if the member cares, rather than
>subscribing... something about the relative worth of forgiveness and
>permission.
>
>I like it for another reason -- any new member that complains about
>receiving unwanted list traffic can be easily diverted back to
>AccountCreated, whereas the new member who didn't suffer reading our
>lengthy introductory material and now suffers in silence cannot. Also
>something or other about community building or whatever the hep cats
>call it.
>
>Another, possibly friendlier option: we can also just *invite* new
>members to join the discussion and help lists, leaving them free to
>take
>no action and also receive no mail while still making them aware the
>lists exist. The major downside I see is that the invite is not very
>descriptive -- the subject is "confirm $hash" where hash is a very long
>hex string, and a test send to gmail ended up in their "special offers"
>folder that they are using to spam gmail users now... (on the bright
>side, it looks like they don't flag our announcements and whatnot as
>spam any more! Go SPF records!) so, I think there's a big chance it
>would be ignored. Forced subscription also sends out a notification, so
>...
>
>Thoughts? I think it is a big enough change that I hope at least
>someone
>has thoughts that disagree with mine (given that I sort-of disagree
>with
>even myself, already)! Or agrees, whatever. Just as long as I am not
>making decisions like this in an echo-chamber (I hear we're
>democratically organized).
>
>If I see no serious opposition I am leaning toward going forward with
>subscribing new members whenever we have our next member sign up, and
>also sending a message to -announce reminding everyone to check their
>list subscriptions because they could be missing out.
>
>-- 
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>Libot said.
>
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