[Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
Helen
helen1913 at mac.com
Tue Aug 25 02:49:40 EDT 2009
I'm fine with this also. Thanks Anton.
--Helen
On Aug 24, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Anton Black wrote:
> This looks good to me also. I didn't see agreement when I replied
> on the permit thread but this might do it. Where exactly turnoff
> from 1st to go to Westlake?--Anton
>
> http://vvawai.org http://vfp92.org http://antonblack.blogspot.com/
>
> --- ejrd1993 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> From: Eric Gordan <ejrd1993 at hotmail.com>
> To: anntiwar <antiwar at lists.hcoop.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:36:06 -0700
>
> I'm fine with what is being suggested: skip 12th, since it doesn't
> gain us much but it adds distance; skip the detour through the
> projects; go to Jackson instead of Yessler, since that does gain us
> more of the ID; and ending at Westlake (Edward didn't weigh in on
> it, I'd like to hear what he and others think). Without the other
> detours, ending at Westlake seems fine to me. That lets us pass a
> couple of blocks past the Market, which Anton and I agreed was a
> good detour to take, and which now Frank has also supported as well.
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:48:49 +0000
> From: chr2eemail at comcast.net
> To: antiwar at lists.hcoop.net
> Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
>
> I favor Jackson because of the good responses we've recently been
> getting in the International District, plus Yesler will have many
> fewer people on it during the stretch that's raised for the
> freeway, etc. It also gives the march a clear/comprehensible goal
> as far as to why we're going in this direction.
>
> For these reasons I think it's worth the extra 15 minutes, or so.--Fk.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: iskra at riseup.net
>
> To: antiwar at lists.hcoop.net
>
> Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:27:09 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
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> All,
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> 1. I agree with not trying to cram too much into one march (re: Ben's
>
> suggestion), although Broadway is an excellent place to march. I am
>
> also against going in circles or zigzagging all over the place. I
>
> didn't see any real advantage to looping up to 12th. If we want to
>
> march on 12th AND go through Yesler Terrace (the previously mentioned
>
> projects), then we will have to march up a fairly steep slope for 2-3
>
> blocks, plus the 2 blocks up Pike or Pine. I think this is way too
> much
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> work and complication for way too little.
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> 2. Since it is apparently only a half mile difference, a relatively
>
> straight shot (with the exception of Yesler Terrace) from SCCC to
> either
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> Jackson or Yesler would be fine with me. I would like to hear what
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> others had to say about this (Jackson vs. Yesler), because I can
> really
>
> be swayed either way. I don't think this is a matter of major
> political
>
> significance, as much as I'd like us to cover part of the
> International
>
> District.
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>
> A half mile seems like more than a half mile after walking 2.5.
> Again,
>
> there's no need to cram it all into one march. Of course, one way to
>
> ease the burden would be to avoid zigzagging up hills for slightly
>
> increased visibility for a block or so (like we had discussed on
> Monday
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> around the juvenile detention place on 12th). Both Yesler and Jackson
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> will be downhill. And again, I could go either way.
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>
> --Edward
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> chr2eemail at comcast.net wrote:
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> > Helen,
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> >
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> > When I said that the various choices all seemed pretty good, I think
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> > that my note was pretty clearly referring to choices in how to
> get to
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> > Jackson.
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> >
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> > Indeed, I think that most people in the meeting thought that
> there would
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> > be a few blocks of relative emptiness on Broadway when going past
> S.U.,
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> > Swedish, etc., so we should check out how it would be to go over to
>
> > 12^th instead^ ---which you have now done! But at the same time
> there is
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> > only relative emptiness on this part of Broadway, and we would no
> doubt
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> > meet some hospital workers, students, and people who live in
> apartments
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> > in the area. So, to me, whatever you decide won’t be bad if it
> doesn‘t
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> > involve a lot of loops and the like.
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> > Some things related to this:
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> > I think that we’re going to want an MC---or someone tasked for the
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> > duty---to very briefly explain the general march route, and say that
>
> > it’s a little longer than usual because in order to build the
> movement,
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> > going to the people is necessary. (At the same time, at the first
>
> > meeting we recognized that some people simply can’t walk three
> miles,
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> > but that the shape of the route is such that they can jump on
> buses or
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> > otherwise take shortcuts in order to meet us at the end.)
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> > But I think that it would be a mistake to have a march route with
> too
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> > many detours designed to go to the people. Quite a few demonstrators
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> > might feel they’re being led in circles when they have in mind
> reaching
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> > the objective of Westlake. Compromises have to be made in this
> regard.
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> > For example, Ben’s (and perhaps others’) idea of first
> marching north on
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> > Broadway has merit in that it’s meant to reach more people. But it
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> > starts off with this problem of marching in a circle. (In this
> case, I
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> > also think that it would make the march just a little too long.)
> So I
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> > think that we should “save” north Broadway for another
> demonstration.
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> > Nevertheless, I think that it would be great if on the 17^th Ben or
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> > others wanted to organize a little contingent with signs, etc.,
> to come
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> > down Broadway encouraging people to come with them to the
> demonstration.
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> > I might join such a contingent myself!
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: Helen
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> > To: antiwar at lists.hcoop.net
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> > Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:49:10 +0000 (UTC)
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> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
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> > Frank and All:
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> > I am confused when you say "the various choices. . . all seem pretty
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> > good." Does this mean so long as it goes from SCCC to Jackson,
> and up
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> > First to Westlake? Or all three maps?
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> > The feeling on monday's walk was that it was long when we were
> in the
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> > middle of it, but as the original note said "we can of course
> discuss
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> > this further, but this was the general consensus." The discussion
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> > really wasn't much about feeling tired; there were practical and
>
> > political reasons for concluding the original route might be too
> long
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> > and may disserve the action. What we kept tossing around is,
> what does
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> > this struggle need, in the current situation? So it was pretty
> interesting.
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> > At this point, four of us felt it was probably too long, made
> alternate
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> > suggestions, and no one of the four has voiced a clear change of
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> > opinion, at least in email. But when you encourage "you all
> doing the
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> > walking" to decide, you seem to be taking it for granted that we
> will be
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> > going to Jackson, and towards the market, and presumably to
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> > Westlake--other than that it is up to us. I could be wrong about
> how I
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> > am reading your email, not sure.
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> > I would like to hear what the others who were out on Monday
> think. If
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> > others are convinced that plan A, map 1, is it, then there is no
> need to
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> > walk again. We might easily conclude that if we go with plan A,
> any of
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> > the side routes we considered are out, or something like that.
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> >
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> > Frank, are you able to come on Thurs or Friday to walk it? I
> know we
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> > don't want to drain our energies on the route issue, but that's why
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> > having materials to pass out would be good also. The route s a
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> > significant piece of this action, so it is worth a bit of effort.
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> > --Helen
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> > On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:29 AM, chr2eemail at comcast.net
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> > wrote:
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> > Dear Alex and all,
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> > You say that the four of you didn’t consense on a shorter
> route,
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> > which is obviously fine with me. Yet all I and the rest of us
> had to
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> > go on was Helen’s report that you all “concluded that SCCC
> via 12th
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> > or Broadway to Jackson, to First, and up Pine to Westlake is too
>
> > far,” i.e., the general route that everyone agreed on (and
> which has
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> > been advertised) is too far.
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> >
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> > In fact, most of her short note dealt with length. So it’s
> just
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> > plain logical that I would have addressed this.
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> >
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> > But, anyway, I thought that the reason for walking part of
> the route
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> > was simply to check out what would be the best way to get to
>
> > Jackson. And I’m most willing to accept whatever you
> recommend on
>
> > this, as I think others at the meeting were. (I would add
> that it’s
>
> > important to remember that Yesler Terrace is likely to have many
>
> > fewer people outside in mid-October than it does in summer
> days like
>
> > this.)
>
> >
>
> > Insofar as making a jog over to Hing Hay Park for a speech or
>
> > speeches, I pretty much oppose this because it might create
> somewhat
>
> > of a “tour with speeches” atmosphere, rather than that of
> a militant
>
> > anti-war demonstration on a mission. On the other hand, I do
> like
>
> > Anton ‘s idea of going a block or two past the Market entrance
>
> > before cutting over to Westlake---which is also what I
> originally
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> > had in mind.
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> >
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> > Ben Seattle has suggested first marching north on Broadway,
> which
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> > creates the problem of whether to return south on a not-so-busy
>
> > street like 12^th , or just to turn around on Broadway. My
> opinion
>
> > is that we can’t do everything in one demonstration; and I
> think
>
> > that it’s important to remember that by October 17 the
> people who
>
> > walk Broadway every day will be very aware that there’s
> going to be
>
> > a demonstration. Furthermore, on demonstration day there will be
>
> > people coming down Broadway from the north w/ signs, etc., and
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> > they’ll therefore be reminded again.
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> >
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> > So I think that we should keep things simple, leave it to you
> all
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> > doing the walking to decide the best way to Jackson, even if it
>
> > involves flipping a coin. (And I don’t think that I’m
> being flip in
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> > saying this because the various choices all have their ups and
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> > downs, but all seem pretty good.)
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> >
>
> > Frank
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> >
>
> > From: Eric Gordan
>
> >
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> > To: anntiwar
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> >
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> > Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:41:47 +0000 (UTC)
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> >
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> > Subject: [Oct. 17 Seattle] On the route
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> > shorter route, and we didn’t consense on ending in Pioneer
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> > rigorous route, and that rather than going all the way to
> Westlake,
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> > one way to
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> > shorten it would be to end in Pioneer Square. What we agreed
> to was
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> > that if we do go all the way to Jackson,
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> > and especially if we march up to 12^th , the march could end at
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> > Pioneer Square, and we agreed that there were some advantages
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> > indication of that by saying that those of us who went out that
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> > night would
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> > send comments on the route options, but we fell down on doing
> that.
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> > Some particular points that the four of
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> > us discussed while we were scouting:
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> > Along Pike and the first part of 12th, there are several open-
> air cafes,
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> > between Broadway and 12^th , and around the corner onto 12^th
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> > time of the march, but when we were there the other day that
> side of
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> > campus was
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> to get
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> > a view of what was there. Marching on 12^th all the way
> essentially
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> > to Jackson as we originally discussed would largely bypass the
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> > housing project
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> > between Harborview and Yessler. It
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> > come to an agreement on the choice between 12^th and
> Broadway, but we
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> > did agree that cutting through more of Yessler Terrace is
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> > important. Going from memory, I think that meant
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> > cutting up Alder from 12^th , if we take that route, but it
> doesn’t
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> > matter much which of those streets we take. We discussed that
> going
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> > to Broadway was an option also.
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> pointed
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> > email was a really good thing, because it would take us
> through more
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> > of the
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> > would leave us at Yessler a couple of blocks west of
> Broadway. From
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> > there, we
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> > debated whether to go right, down Yessler or left, to Jackson.
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> > Going down Yessler to First is the
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> > shorter of the two options, and we agreed that if we took that
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> > option, we would
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> > certainly want to end at Westlake.
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> > alternative of going down Jackson means turning left at Yessler,
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> > going to
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> > Boren, to 12^th , to Jackson, and is a significant addition
> to the
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> > route. It has some significant
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> > advantages over the Yessler option, in that it travels
> through more
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> > Yessler Terrace projects, through little Saigon, and through a
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> > chunk of the ID. I think we all
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> Hing Hay
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> > for a speech or two. From there,
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> > we’d travel down past the south end of the bus tunnel, and
> down to
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> > First. However, Jackson to First beyond the
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> > bus tunnel isn’t going to be great for foot traffic. Anton
> has
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> > since reported that there will be a game, but not
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> would not be
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> > Occidental Park, but at the triangular park on First where the
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> the
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> > market were
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> > big advantages to going all the way to Westlake. Anton and I
> talked
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> > about even going beyond Westlake on
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> > First, so we could run alongside the market for a couple more
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> > blocks, and then
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> > reason we considered ending sooner than Westlake was that we
> wanted
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> > to take a few detours that would lengthen the march. Twelfth is
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> > one, into the projects to the west of Broadway is
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> > another, Hing Hay park is a third, and we might have talked
> about a
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> > --> Pike --> 12^th --> Cherry --> Broadway --> through
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> > Yessler Terrace --> Yessler --> Boren --> 12^th -->
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> > Jackson --> Hing Hay --> Jackson --> 1^st --> Stewart
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> > is not outlined in any of the maps that I made and Helen sent
> out.
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> > We agreed that that one was too long,
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> > but I imagine that some of us could be convinced otherwise.
> But at
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> > this point, I am not entirely
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> > at SCCC on Thursday or Friday evening, at 6 or 6:30, with
> flyers in
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> > hand, and we walk the route again. Can you
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> > make it either of those times, Frank?
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> >
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> > What about other comrades?
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> > I cannot
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> > do it on Friday, but I can on Thursday.
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> >
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> > If we decide to do it Thursday, probably the communication
> should be by
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> > phone.
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> > Comrades,
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> > I
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> >
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> > don’t understand what is said on the maps, i.e., how is
> the route
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> > ending at
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> >
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> > Westlake only 2.5 miles, and the one ending at Pioneer Square
> 3.0
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> > miles? Then
>
> >
>
> > you have an alternative route to Pioneer Square that’s /
> longer/,
>
> > but it’s listed as only 2.6 miles!
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > So
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> >
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> > you must mean that the route ending at Westlake is 3.0 miles,
> which
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> > I think is
>
> >
>
> > just right---maybe 1 hour 45 minutes at demonstration pace.
> Nothing.
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> > We say
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> >
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> > that we want to use demonstrations take our anti-war politics
> to the
>
> > people,
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> >
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> > and this does it.
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> >
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> > Some
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> >
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> > other points:
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> > I
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> > think that ending at Westlake is better because it seems to be a
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> > little more of
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> >
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> > a public place than Pioneer Square. Moreover, it allows us to
> march
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> > by the
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> >
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> > crowded Market entrance, etc. Also, a lot of people will hike
> back
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> > up the hill to
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> >
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> > Broadway after the event is over, and this will give us the
>
> > opportunity to walk
>
> >
>
> > with them. In fact, I was thinking that it would be good to
> give a
>
> > call for
>
> >
>
> > people to march back up the hill together during the ending
> rally.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Besides
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> >
>
> > Seattle May Days and the DNC, I could add more demonstrations
> that
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> > have been
>
> >
>
> > much longer than the one we all generally agreed on, i.e., /
> three/
>
> > marches from the U.W. all the way
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> >
>
> > downtown in 1970, or a MLK Day march that went all the way from
>
> > Garfield High
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> >
>
> > to Othello, or others. And every one of these marches was of
>
> > thousands. But you
>
> >
>
> > write that: “We will have less people participating in
> the march
>
> > if it is
>
> >
>
> > clearly too long,†when this is not /clear/ at all!
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Longer
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> >
>
> > marches (and this one is really not that long) are a little more
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> > dramatic and
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> >
>
> > memorable, and we want this to be a memorable event. Further,
> I’ve
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> > told some
>
> >
>
> > people that we wanted this to be a demonstration that was
> short on
>
> >
>
> > speech-making and long on marching, and had agreement that it
> should
>
> > be. And if
>
> >
>
> > we continue our political mobilization I don’t think we
> need worry
>
> > about
>
> >
>
> > turning out enough people to fill the street. Anger against
> Obama
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> > increases by
>
> >
>
> > the day, and we work to increase this anger. A three-mile
> anti-war
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> >
>
> > demonstration is just the beginning.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Since
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> >
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> > four people have now consensed against our original plan, Iâ
> €™ll add
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> > one last
>
> >
>
> > thing: How many times have we heard the cry to “keep
> marching!â€
>
> > sent up
>
> >
>
> > when the usual coalition leaders stopped marches in order to
> have an
>
> > hour of
>
> >
>
> > reformist speeches? Maybe it’s because I’m
> older, but I’ve
>
> > heard it a
>
> >
>
> > lot.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Sorry
>
> >
>
> > to go on and on, but I just don’t get this objectionâ
> €¦can’t
>
> > fathom it, and
>
> >
>
> > it makes me angry. But I’m sure we’ll work it out.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Frank
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > I don't
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> >
>
> > agree that the original proposed route is too long. For example,
>
> > it's about half
>
> >
>
> > the length of the biggest march in Denver, and much shorter
> than the
>
> > May Day
>
> >
>
> > marches from St. Mary's, downtown, and on to Seattle Center.
> More,
>
> > when you're
>
> >
>
> > walking in a crowd, shouting slogans and chants, etc., time
> flies by
>
> > in comparison
>
> >
>
> > to when you're walking alone.—Fk
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > -----
>
> >
>
> > Original Message -----
>
>
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > From: Helen
>
> >
>
> >
> To: antiwar at lists.hcoop.net
> Sent:
>
> > Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:44:54 +0000
>
> >
>
> > (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Fwd: Import your contacts and old
>
> >
>
> > email
>
> Alex, Anton, Edwd and I walked variations of the proposed route
>
> >
>
> > tonight.
>
> We concluded that SCCC via 12th or Broadway to Jackson, to
>
> > First, and
>
> >
>
> >
> up Pine to Westlake is too far.
>
> We will have less people
>
> > participating in the
>
> >
>
> > march if it is clearly
> too long. People would likely decide to be
>
> > there at the
>
> >
>
> > beginning
> and/or the end and the actual number marching would be
>
> > lower than we
>
> >
>
> >
> want, possibly lower than we need to go into the street.
>
> We can of
>
> > course
>
> >
>
> > discuss this further, but this was the general
> consensus amongst of
>
> > the four
>
> >
>
> > of us.
>
> Here are proposed routes. (Folks will argue pro and con in
>
> >
> subsequent
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> >
>
> > emails.)
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