[HCoop-Discuss] Proportional Representation?

[docelic]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:58:30AM -0800, Michael Potter wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 20:37 +0100, Björn Lindström wrote:
> > I doubt you will get our excellent sysadmins to keep working for the
> > coop for free if you and your "fraction" (though I don't know who else
> > that would be) started dictating what tools they may or may not use.
> 
> Interesting how you turned that around. Currently there are no choices
> but AFS, I suggested an optional alternative. 

We have yet to see your real example of what in AFS is worse than what you
would get with non-AFS. Exactly the opposite, I think AFS is allowing
us to offer services that would already be hard to provide without AFS,
or that would be impossible to provide at some future time when we 
start to take advantage of some even more advanced AFS techniques and
concepts.

The only argument you provided was "someone not bothering to read
fs manpage" which makes no sense. I do not believe that using 
"fs setacl" is in any way harder than using "chmod", especially when 
we have ready-to-run 'fs setacl' examples on various Wiki pages.

> > Nobody is paying for that. Any handholding you may have received in
> > your use of HCoop has been entirely volunteer based and unpaid.
> 
> I've received no hand-holding, and that's my point. I don't need it and
> don't want to pay for it through future paid admins. 

We have provided enormous amount of hand-holding for members. Some asked
for more than others, but that's not important now.

We even created hcoop-help for this purpose on our own incentive.

It comes as a surprise to me that not even this fact is a "positive mark"
for HCoop "establishment" (as you called it) in your book.

-doc