[HCoop-Discuss] Proportional Representation?

[David Snider]

I've always seen the coop as a wild west libertarian-like organization. 
The idea is to keep costs as low as possible by finding as many 
technically competent do-it-yourself type people as we can. The ones 
that can't hack it are a drain on the system and I am fine with seeing 
them leave.

The absolute last thing I want is one of these massive "it takes a 
village" molly-coddling schemes where everything becomes politicized and 
people are walking on eggshells to cater to the smallest common 
denominator.

This is a web hosting site. We are not feeding people or curing disease. 
It is not going to change the world or even make it a better place. It 
is a mutually beneficial arrangement of people to get the best service 
possible at the lowest cost possible.

When you do your cost\benefit analysis of HCOOP you need to factor in 
the amount of time you are going to be spending trying to figure things 
out for yourself or getting in contact with the people who do. It may 
not be worth it for you, but there are plenty of people for who it will be.

Stephen Taylor wrote:
> [liberally snipped for sanity ]
>
> I digressed into saying I agree with Michael and said
> why. Some of it is useful
>
>   
>>> Michael Potter wrote:
>>> Disagreement from individuals or a minority group
>>> here is generally
>>> disregarded or put down. 
>>>       
>
>   
>>> allowing for minority voices to have some
>>>       
> influence 
>   
>>> would reduce the
>>> tension 
>>>       
>
>   
>> [ntk] some back and forth, not a lot; a few major >
>>     
> concerns, not all the same
>   
>> current structure lets all have input
>> - anyone can run for board and it's 5 people
>> every member has up to five votes
>>     
>
>   
>> most members are not Americans.
>>     
>
> Co-op is first co-operative and second technically
> adept.
>
> This co-op probable got going because technically
> adept people formed a co-op. Technical first, co-op
> second.
>
> And sought people with general *nix/web skills when
> they really meant people with skills
> similar_to_theirs.
>
> If like me, members find the "package", the
> combination of hosting site and price a good deal. But
> hesitate to participate because the reward for making
> a mistake or asking before reading the docs is not
> shared laughter or "look it up in XXX and if you don't
> find the answer, let us know"  It is criticism or
> technical problems because (I surmise) after X number
> of errors, it stops working.
>
> Examples:
>
> J. Settino's discovery that his experience was not
> enough and it was his problem.
>
> My blunders when I joined and asked for help.
>
> The bounced e-mails I never received -- until I asked.
>
> The problem I created yesterday with a bad .forward
> file. I fixed it, it tests okay but I'm missing mail.
>
> The lack of response (1) to my h-discuss e-mail full
> of suggestions; some would make a better co-op.
>
> The failure of the moderator system. Mail to
> hcoop-misc, get warning cause address is unknown; get
> nothing more and no sign of correction.
>
> The wiki. To me, it's a brainstorming, organzing, etc.
> tool. Response I got said it's for technical data.
>
> The etiquette thing. Unstated rules about adding your
> reply to the end of someone's post need to be stated.
>
> -----------------
> I know the people who made HCoop work hard. I say
> share the work. Find people skilled enough, reliable
> to help:  moderators; wiki-gnomes (people who watch
> for wiki spam and delete it); I'm sure there's more
> that doesn't require an experienced sysadmin to do it.
>
> And I think the non-American's ntk (Nathan) refers to
> find it even harder to join in negative talk.
>
> Let's make a co-op so we can do whatever with our
> piece of it.
>
> And get the IRC identities known
>
> [yes I brainstorm and I condense my thoughts. Ask for
> detail. Please. But not snow! (I'm Canadian)]
>
> - a voluntary departure (and arrival) survey of
> going/coming members. What hooked/unhooked them.
>
> Stephen Taylor/duoduo
>
>
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