<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">nudge - to coax or gently encourage, to touch or push, to prod gently, typically with one's elbow.<div><br></div><div>Make a sytem's default the behavior you wish to encourage… so sign 'em up!</div><div><br></div><div>-- Jesse Shumway</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo <<a href="mailto:granito@hcoop.net">granito@hcoop.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Haha as the person who's post was held
up I vote for auto-subscription with a large "unsubscribe" button
at the bottom of emails. It could also be a mix of certain lists
are auto-subscribe and some are not.<br>
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Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo.<br>
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On 7/24/2013 12:08 PM, Lauren McNees wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I vote for option A, subscribing everyone
automatically and letting them unsubscribe themselves if they
really want to. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!<br>
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Clinton Ebadi <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:clinton@unknownlamer.org" target="_blank">clinton@unknownlamer.org</a>></span>
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Greetings,<br>
<br>
It came to my attention, after a new hcoop member's post was
held for<br>
approval to hcoop-discuss, that we have not been adding
people by<br>
default to these lists for ... oh, the last *six years*.
Which probably<br>
explains their pitifully low participation rate, especially
since it<br>
seems nowadays folks don't like clicking around our beloved
portal to<br>
find the "Preferences" page... (hell, even I had to sit
there for a<br>
minute to remember where you set list prefs).<br>
<br>
I vaguely recall there may have been a reason... a few folks
complaining<br>
about list traffic? But checking the subscriber list, it
looks like<br>
almost none of our members from the last few years have
bothered<br>
subscribing to any of the optional lists!<br>
<br>
So, my current thinking is that we should instead subscribe
everyone by<br>
default to -discuss and -help, leaving a note in<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated" target="_blank">https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated</a>
about<br>
*un*subscribing after signing up if the member cares, rather
than<br>
subscribing... something about the relative worth of
forgiveness and<br>
permission.<br>
<br>
I like it for another reason -- any new member that
complains about<br>
receiving unwanted list traffic can be easily diverted back
to<br>
AccountCreated, whereas the new member who didn't suffer
reading our<br>
lengthy introductory material and now suffers in silence
cannot. Also<br>
something or other about community building or whatever the
hep cats<br>
call it.<br>
<br>
Another, possibly friendlier option: we can also just
*invite* new<br>
members to join the discussion and help lists, leaving them
free to take<br>
no action and also receive no mail while still making them
aware the<br>
lists exist. The major downside I see is that the invite is
not very<br>
descriptive -- the subject is "confirm $hash" where hash is
a very long<br>
hex string, and a test send to gmail ended up in their
"special offers"<br>
folder that they are using to spam gmail users now... (on
the bright<br>
side, it looks like they don't flag our announcements and
whatnot as<br>
spam any more! Go SPF records!) so, I think there's a big
chance it<br>
would be ignored. Forced subscription also sends out a
notification, so<br>
...<br>
<br>
Thoughts? I think it is a big enough change that I hope at
least someone<br>
has thoughts that disagree with mine (given that I sort-of
disagree with<br>
even myself, already)! Or agrees, whatever. Just as long as
I am not<br>
making decisions like this in an echo-chamber (I hear we're<br>
democratically organized).<br>
<br>
If I see no serious opposition I am leaning toward going
forward with<br>
subscribing new members whenever we have our next member
sign up, and<br>
also sending a message to -announce reminding everyone to
check their<br>
list subscriptions because they could be missing out.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
"Karen loved animals. Unfortunately the cheetahs
betrayed her trust,"<br>
Libot said.<br>
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