<div dir="ltr">I vote for option A, subscribing everyone automatically and letting them unsubscribe themselves if they really want to. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Clinton Ebadi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clinton@unknownlamer.org" target="_blank">clinton@unknownlamer.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
It came to my attention, after a new hcoop member's post was held for<br>
approval to hcoop-discuss, that we have not been adding people by<br>
default to these lists for ... oh, the last *six years*. Which probably<br>
explains their pitifully low participation rate, especially since it<br>
seems nowadays folks don't like clicking around our beloved portal to<br>
find the "Preferences" page... (hell, even I had to sit there for a<br>
minute to remember where you set list prefs).<br>
<br>
I vaguely recall there may have been a reason... a few folks complaining<br>
about list traffic? But checking the subscriber list, it looks like<br>
almost none of our members from the last few years have bothered<br>
subscribing to any of the optional lists!<br>
<br>
So, my current thinking is that we should instead subscribe everyone by<br>
default to -discuss and -help, leaving a note in<br>
<a href="https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated" target="_blank">https://wiki.hcoop.net/MemberManual/GettingStarted/AccountCreated</a> about<br>
*un*subscribing after signing up if the member cares, rather than<br>
subscribing... something about the relative worth of forgiveness and<br>
permission.<br>
<br>
I like it for another reason -- any new member that complains about<br>
receiving unwanted list traffic can be easily diverted back to<br>
AccountCreated, whereas the new member who didn't suffer reading our<br>
lengthy introductory material and now suffers in silence cannot. Also<br>
something or other about community building or whatever the hep cats<br>
call it.<br>
<br>
Another, possibly friendlier option: we can also just *invite* new<br>
members to join the discussion and help lists, leaving them free to take<br>
no action and also receive no mail while still making them aware the<br>
lists exist. The major downside I see is that the invite is not very<br>
descriptive -- the subject is "confirm $hash" where hash is a very long<br>
hex string, and a test send to gmail ended up in their "special offers"<br>
folder that they are using to spam gmail users now... (on the bright<br>
side, it looks like they don't flag our announcements and whatnot as<br>
spam any more! Go SPF records!) so, I think there's a big chance it<br>
would be ignored. Forced subscription also sends out a notification, so<br>
...<br>
<br>
Thoughts? I think it is a big enough change that I hope at least someone<br>
has thoughts that disagree with mine (given that I sort-of disagree with<br>
even myself, already)! Or agrees, whatever. Just as long as I am not<br>
making decisions like this in an echo-chamber (I hear we're<br>
democratically organized).<br>
<br>
If I see no serious opposition I am leaning toward going forward with<br>
subscribing new members whenever we have our next member sign up, and<br>
also sending a message to -announce reminding everyone to check their<br>
list subscriptions because they could be missing out.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
"Karen loved animals. Unfortunately the cheetahs betrayed her trust,"<br>
Libot said.<br>
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