<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;">Phil called and said Helen can reserve space there.<BR>--Anton<BR><BR>http://vvawai.org http://vfp92.org
http://antonblack.blogspot.com/<BR><BR>--- chr2eemail@comcast.net wrote:<BR><BR>From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>To: anton@vvawai.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Re Sept 16th<BR>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:44:25 +0000 (UTC)<BR><BR>I'm in favor.--Fk.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR><BR>From: Anton Black <BR><BR>To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR><BR>Sent: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:47:46 +0000 (UTC)<BR><BR>Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Re Sept 16th<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">My notes have Uptown Expresso-- Belltown(?) as our second choice. Are we going with that?<BR><BR>--Anton<BR><BR>http://vvawai.org http://vfp92.org<BR><BR><BR><BR> http://antonblack.blogspot.com/<BR><BR>--- ejrd1993@hotmail.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: Eric Gordan <BR>To: antiwar <BR>Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Re Sept 16th<BR>Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:30:27 -0700<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On the subject of the meeting on the 16th, we went by Kaladi Coffee last night, and it was shut up tight, so I don't think it will work for an evening meeting.<BR><BR>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:19:17 -0700<BR>> From: iskra@riseup.net<BR>> To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread<BR>> <BR>> Here's how today's healthcare rally went:<BR>> <BR>> I passed out 150 half-sheets in under 1.5 hours. I was actually <BR>> surprised at how many people were extremely supportive of the flyer's <BR>> headline. There was only one sort-of-hostile comment, and only two <BR>> others who said they disagreed. Of course, not everyone wanted a <BR>> leaflet, and many of these people may have either been outright <BR>> supporters of the Afghanistan war or undecided (or opponents of the war <BR>> who didn't see the point in going to a march).<BR>> <BR>> Some highlights:<BR>> *A Quaker read the leaflet and came back to say he'd put it up at their <BR>> meeting house in the U District. I asked if he wanted a few more flyers <BR>> to pass out and he took about 10.<BR>> *I asked an FSP woman if they were going to be there and she said "yes," <BR>> and I said I'd be sure to email the next meeting information to them. <BR>> (Actually, they have been getting it all along.)<BR>> *A VFP guy said he'd be there and that he had been getting the mailings <BR>> (from Anton or Marty I assume). He said he had been too busy to make it <BR>> to our meetings so far but I said he'd hear about the next one on <BR>> September 16 as soon as we had the location confirmed. (I hope this is <BR>> in progress.)<BR>> <BR>> --Edward<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> chr2eemail@comcast.net wrote:<BR>> > The protest against torture-Judge Bybee was attended by about 10-12 <BR>> > people. My main objective was to talk with people---particularly <BR>> > groups---about getting behind building for October 17. And this was easy <BR>> > to do in such a small crowd. But WCW, of course, already knew all about <BR>> > it, while the PDA circles were polite but non-committal. An unconnected <BR>> > guy said that he would be at the demonstration. I passed out 15 leaflets.<BR>> > <BR>> > Total reported by all to date: 1333.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > <BR>> > From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>> > <BR>> > To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> > <BR>> > Sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:49:50 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > 23^rd and Jackson, Sunday, 8-29.<BR>> > <BR>> > Passed out 40 leaflets advertising the event, which I think was good <BR>> > considering that there were few people there. About 10 of these went to <BR>> > the youth march which formed up at the same place. (There were about <BR>> > 8-10 youths present, the majority of whom wanted leaflets. Of the 15 or <BR>> > so adults, only a few wanted leaflets.)--Fk.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Eric Gordan<BR>> > <BR>> > To: antiwar<BR>> > <BR>> > Sent: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:49:46 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I was out doing mass work from 11:30 to 1:30 today, and I split my time <BR>> > between three locations.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Broadway:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Foot traffic generally slow. Rate of interest comparatively low <BR>> > relative to the rate I had last weekend on the streets in the CD, but <BR>> > not bad. Only one negative comment, from someone who identified himself <BR>> > as military, and disputed reasons for the war that I gave. I gave one <BR>> > to a young man who identified himself as an RCP supporter. I recognized <BR>> > him, but I don't know his name, and I didn't have a chance to converse <BR>> > with him. No other real conversations, but a good handful of comments <BR>> > like "keep up the good work", "I support you all the way", and "the <BR>> > President sure isn't going to [end the wars]". Passed out about 15 <BR>> > leaflets with the demo announcement.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > University District:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Foot traffic also slow, perhaps slower than Broadway. I had one <BR>> > conversation with an older man who agreed with the headline. When he <BR>> > said he thought it was because of "stupidity", I countered, describing <BR>> > the bases for the wars as I understood them, and he agreed with that, <BR>> > also, but he kept going back to "stupidity" as the root. As we talked <BR>> > more, it was clear that he had some strange ideas about things in <BR>> > general. Passed out only 10, partly as a result of this man. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > 23rd & Union:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > At the same location where I leafletted several cab drivers last <BR>> > weekend, there was a moderate-sized Muslim gathering breaking up, so I <BR>> > paused to leaflet. A young kid, probably 10, who was moderately fluent <BR>> > in English translated for me to his father (?) explaining that the <BR>> > leaflet was opposing the wars in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The kid was <BR>> > _very_ excited about the leaflet, and asked first for one, then for <BR>> > four, and then for "a whole bunch", "to give to everyone". I stayed <BR>> > outside the gathering place, and leafletted people as they left, and he <BR>> > ran inside to leaflet. 100% of those who passed by me took a leaflet, <BR>> > and between the two of us, we passed out about 60. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Since I was bussing between the three places, I also leafletted the all <BR>> > of bus drivers and a couple of the passengers. I didn't have as good a <BR>> > reception on the busses this time as I have other times I tried it. I <BR>> > think it depends a lot on the route, time of day, day of week, and how <BR>> > crowded the bus is (the more crowded the better, up to a point).<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > In total, 97 leaflets passed out.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:07:57 +0000<BR>> > From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>> > To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > University Ave., early-afternoon Saturday:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Phil and I passed out about 70 leaflets with advertisements for O-17. <BR>> > After first rejecting it, several people came back to get a leaflet when <BR>> > it registered on them what it was about. When intently reading it as he <BR>> > walked away, one guy exclaimed, “totally!” re: something he’d read.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Phil had 2-3 quite wide-ranging political discussions.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I talked with an older guy who’s around FSP. He hadn’t heard about the <BR>> > demonstration, and was enthusiastic for it. But he thought that FSP must <BR>> > be part of the Oct.17 Mobilization and just hadn‘t spread the word yet. <BR>> > I explained that it wasn’t, and told him about the meeting, etc. He <BR>> > replied: “Yeah, we should be part of that. I’ll talk to Chris.“<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > So we’ll see what happens. (FSP and Radical Women people have received <BR>> > all of our e-mailings, by the way.)<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Eric Gordan<BR>> > <BR>> > To: anntiwar<BR>> > <BR>> > Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:12:23 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread?<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I wasn’t able to get to the demo downtown today, but I was<BR>> > <BR>> > able to get out for a while later, around 5. I almost didn’t get out, <BR>> > because my time was tight, and the<BR>> > <BR>> > printer kept jamming, but I did finally get 100 SAIC leaflets printed. <BR>> > I still had about 50+ of the coalition<BR>> > <BR>> > half-sheets. I went to the<BR>> > <BR>> > Garfield “community” event, which was very small, maybe 75 people there<BR>> > <BR>> > total. It was just a lot of booths<BR>> > <BR>> > advertising replacement windows, Pepsi, etc. There were also a few <BR>> > non-commercial booths, like a woman<BR>> > <BR>> > with some org that wasn’t familiar who was trying to get Single Payer <BR>> > “on the<BR>> > <BR>> > table” in DC, and some kind of foster care agency, and others. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I had a couple of conversations there. One clean cut young<BR>> > <BR>> > guy selling something took a leaflet and started asking questions -- <BR>> > what does<BR>> > <BR>> > this title mean? Isn’t the US removing troops from Afghanistan? Why is <BR>> > the US<BR>> > <BR>> > there? The older man he had been<BR>> > <BR>> > talking to when I came up jumped in and explained that it was for <BR>> > control of territory,<BR>> > <BR>> > no, it wasn’t about helping the Afghan people, etc. He had some facts <BR>> > wrong (like he thought there was<BR>> > <BR>> > significant oil there), but he understood US motives well.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > After about 20 minutes there, though, I had made the circuit<BR>> > <BR>> > and offered everyone there a leaflet. <BR>> > <BR>> > So I circulated through the neighborhood, walking along 23rd, across<BR>> > <BR>> > Cherry, up to Union. There are a<BR>> > <BR>> > number of coffee places along there that cater to cab drivers and there are<BR>> > <BR>> > other small storefronts. <BR>> > <BR>> > There were a moderate number of people out on the streets, and a high<BR>> > <BR>> > percentage of them took leaflets. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On that walk, I had several good conversations, one with an<BR>> > <BR>> > Asian woman behind the counter at a coffee place. When I offered her a <BR>> > leaflet, she took one, and asked what<BR>> > <BR>> > is this about. When I explained<BR>> > <BR>> > (there was a little language barrier) she said, “yes, why not! The <BR>> > soldiers should all get out of<BR>> > <BR>> > there”, and she volunteered to put a poster up. I gave her a small <BR>> > stack of the half-sheet flyers, and she<BR>> > <BR>> > said she’d put them out.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I also talked with a man for a long time, who wavered<BR>> > <BR>> > between understanding that the US was in Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan <BR>> > because<BR>> > <BR>> > it served the whole ruling class -- when I said this to him, he agreed <BR>> > -- and<BR>> > <BR>> > talking about the wars as “Bush’s mess”, that he started the Iraq War <BR>> > because<BR>> > <BR>> > Saddam had tried to kill his father, etc. He was very mad about the <BR>> > wars. The conversation was quite<BR>> > <BR>> > friendly. He read the first<BR>> > <BR>> > paragraph while I was there, and he argued that it was beside the point that<BR>> > <BR>> > the drone attacks into Pakistan were “cowardly”, what was important was that<BR>> > <BR>> > they were killing civilians. It<BR>> > <BR>> > wouldn’t be any better if it was troops the imperialists were sending across<BR>> > <BR>> > the border to kill. He agreed when I said the motivation behind the <BR>> > drones was to avoid US casualties, and limit domestic<BR>> > <BR>> > opposition to the wars.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I also swung by the cab stand around 24th and Union, and<BR>> > <BR>> > every cabbie there took one, thanked me, etc. I talked with one man <BR>> > (again there was a language barrier)<BR>> > <BR>> > who I think was trying to ask me “Are you arguing that the US is there <BR>> > to bring<BR>> > <BR>> > peace?” When I did finally get it<BR>> > <BR>> > across that no, the US isn't bringing peace, it is dropping bombs on <BR>> > civilians, he smiled and shook my hand<BR>> > <BR>> > vigorously, “yes, they are dropping bombs on the people”.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > In all, I handed out 62 SAIC leaflets in about an hour.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:59:10 +0000<BR>> > From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>> > To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread?<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > The VFP action (10-15 people) was probably the biggest since Folklife <BR>> > weekend. Three ANSWER people were also there. One person told me that <BR>> > Marty and Anton had gotten the Oct. 17 info into the VFP minutes, which <BR>> > is good; and nearly everyone I talked with about the demonstration was <BR>> > aware of it.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > While there, I passed out 62 more leaflets (most lySAIC). 3-4 pro-war <BR>> > comments were a good reminder that the battle for the hearts and minds <BR>> > of the masses continues. Also talked with someone about putting the <BR>> > demonstration info on stickers (he likes to put up political stickers <BR>> > around town), and I’m pretty sure that he'll do it. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > <BR>> > From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>> > <BR>> > To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> > <BR>> > Sent: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:15:48 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: Re: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread?<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > University Avenue, Thursday evening---<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Passed out 52 leaflets in about 1 hour 20 minutes. One young guy had <BR>> > already gotten it at Hempfest, and said he liked it. Another young guy <BR>> > was very happy to get the leaflet, but very unhappy that he’s going to <BR>> > be in Portland on the 17^th . Wondered if I knew if there was going to <BR>> > be an eighth anniversary demonstration there, but I couldn’t answer. A <BR>> > young woman wanted three leaflets.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Frank<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > <BR>> > From: chr2eemail@comcast.net<BR>> > <BR>> > To: antiwar@lists.hcoop.net<BR>> > <BR>> > Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:50:57 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: [Oct. 17 Seattle] Report, one mass-work thread?<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > 1) I passed out 60 of some combination of the SAIC and “Mobe” flyers on <BR>> > Broadway this evening. Best response was from a woman my age who said “I <BR>> > agree w/ that TOTALLY” when she saw what the leaflets were about. She <BR>> > was in a rush, but upon returning from her errand she thanked me some <BR>> > more. The only negative comment was from a guy who asked, “What are you <BR>> > going to do when they land at Alki?”<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Ran into several anti-war people who I already know, and gave them <BR>> > details about the September 2 meeting: They included:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > --The owner of a bookshop who said that she would clear space on her <BR>> > bulletin board to post the flyer, which she did.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > --WWP’s Jim M. First words were to ask about the demonstration. (I was <BR>> > worried that WWP hadn’t gotten the invitation to the first meeting <BR>> > because we didn’t have a good address, but it turned out that he’d seen <BR>> > the Indymedia announcement. Now also have his phone number.)<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > --PM of the old SCCCAWC. Unhappy that there’s no longer a mass anti-war <BR>> > organization at SCCC. Very happy to hear the news of the demonstration <BR>> > and the formation of this mobilizing effort. (Of the people who I talked <BR>> > with about the 2^nd , I think that he’s most likely to attend.)<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > --M, originally of IVAW. Another person who expressed enthusiasm about <BR>> > the demonstration, which he’d heard about through our e-mailings. <BR>> > Unfortunately, he’s soon moving to California.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > 2) Reports of leafleting experiences have begun to be posted here, which <BR>> > I think this is just what we should do. It gives us a concrete picture <BR>> > of what we’re doing, where we might pick up slack, and so on. <BR>> > Additionally, I think that news of articles, postings, radio <BR>> > announcements, etc., should also be posted here. For example, SDS Tacoma <BR>> > today posted the information from the flyer on its website. Further, <BR>> > SAIC has had experience in trying to keep reports of leafleting, <BR>> > postering and so on all in one thread. I think that this is a convenient <BR>> > way of keeping track of this info that seems to work well for us, and <BR>> > can work well for this united front effort.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Frank<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to <BR>> > on Facebook. Find out more. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. 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